tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5299407302611232843.post5628247551041405237..comments2023-05-23T01:09:27.258+10:00Comments on Gordon Cheng's blog: A bit less on preaching, please.Gordon Chenghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07588151868151940982noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5299407302611232843.post-71937018688641363922007-12-15T06:53:00.000+11:002007-12-15T06:53:00.000+11:00Very interesting thought.Very interesting thought.Matthew Celestinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02874430461346560520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5299407302611232843.post-75931571818720320882007-12-14T17:57:00.000+11:002007-12-14T17:57:00.000+11:00http://heidelblog.wordpress.com/2007/12/14/whats-t...<I>http://heidelblog.wordpress.com/2007/12/14/whats-the-big-deal-about-preaching/</I><BR/><BR/>Hi scott,<BR/><BR/>I couldn't find a place to comment on your comment over on your blog, so I'm posting here!<BR/><BR/>A hearty amen to all you say over there, of course, except for the bit where you disagree with me. ;-)<BR/><BR/>I am not so much <I>against</I> the idea of 'preaching' as a means of grace, as <I>for</I> the idea that other ministries of the word can be and are used of God in <I>exactly</I> the same way as preaching, and sometimes even more so—writing an epistle to those pesky Corinthians, for example.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your thoughtful comment though—and everyone else too.Gordon Chenghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07588151868151940982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5299407302611232843.post-77739444199773559802007-12-14T15:34:00.000+11:002007-12-14T15:34:00.000+11:00I like your thoughts on a broader understanding of...I like your thoughts on a broader understanding of preaching... But it raises a serious question once we including writing. Namely, why is it OK to read female writers, but not listen to them preach in public?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5299407302611232843.post-85375375332558051282007-12-14T14:12:00.000+11:002007-12-14T14:12:00.000+11:00Hi Gordon,here's a reply:http://heidelblog.wordpre...Hi Gordon,<BR/><BR/>here's a reply:<BR/>http://heidelblog.wordpress.com/2007/12/14/whats-the-big-deal-about-preaching/R. Scott Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01734965995130936606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5299407302611232843.post-32770877134930506382007-12-13T13:45:00.000+11:002007-12-13T13:45:00.000+11:00OSO, I'd want to be careful about that line, becau...OSO, I'd want to be careful about that line, because it seems to me that all the 'teaching/preaching' vocab that the New Testament uses (in the original Greek, I mean) has, in practice, some degree of overlap of meaning. There is a limitation placed on the contexts in which women may preach, but not (I think) on the activity itself. Whether or not discussion or conversation occurs during the process of communication is probably secondary from theological point of view.Gordon Chenghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07588151868151940982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5299407302611232843.post-34894334981892496252007-12-13T13:29:00.000+11:002007-12-13T13:29:00.000+11:00Given the role that Priscilla had in Apollos' theo...Given the role that Priscilla had in Apollos' theological training, and given the prohibition that Paul makes of women preaching, could we assume that "teaching" can be made up of both declaration and group discussion, with the former having a gender prohibition while the latter does not?Neil Cameron (One Salient Oversight)https://www.blogger.com/profile/03143948543305522865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5299407302611232843.post-61391596070404386952007-12-13T13:05:00.000+11:002007-12-13T13:05:00.000+11:00I am surprised, but encouraged to read your commen...I am surprised, but encouraged to read your comments. I agree we exalt 'pulpiteering' and 'pulpiteers' above other legitimate forms of communicating the gospel. I thought I was the only one who felt this.<BR/>One of the criticisms some visitors from home have made of missionaries is how little pulpit preaching we do. But in a pioneering mission situation we don't even have pulpits yet! Somehow walking the streets and speaking the gospel with people one on one is not seen in the same light.<BR/>Glad to read someone who is thinking about this. There is potential for an interesting and, I suspect, a very controversial Briefing article here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5299407302611232843.post-59813386511744313992007-12-13T10:45:00.000+11:002007-12-13T10:45:00.000+11:00I believe OSO was being ironic, mikey.I believe OSO was being ironic, mikey.Gordon Chenghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07588151868151940982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5299407302611232843.post-71501718084113878932007-12-13T10:08:00.000+11:002007-12-13T10:08:00.000+11:00OSO: Discussion Group on the Mount? I'd be interes...OSO: Discussion Group on the Mount? I'd be interested to know your reasons for understand it that way. It seems to me that Jesus is pretty declaratory in his ministry, as well as discursive.<BR/><BR/>I don't like the strategy of redefining preaching, so that it just means 'teaching' or even discussing. I don't think it does justice to the 'speaking forth' dimension that words like preach and evangelise carry. The gospel is news to announce, not just discuss.<BR/><BR/>I wonder if Baxter is not being technical, but polemical? Is he just pointing out that the communicating the word is valid in a range of contexts?Mikey Lynchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10778815574608699550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5299407302611232843.post-64579060205195029442007-12-13T10:03:00.000+11:002007-12-13T10:03:00.000+11:00Hey Dave, yes, it does have implications for minis...Hey Dave, yes, it does have implications for ministry of women. I personally don't think that women should be sole or senior leaders of mixed Bible study groups, nor should they have sole responsibility for discipling of men.<BR/><BR/>OSO, I draw a distinction between 'not liking preaching' and 'not liking an overemphasis on pulpiteering'. The SoM is no more paradigmatic for Christian ministers than is Jesus' encounter with the woman of Samaria in john 4.Gordon Chenghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07588151868151940982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5299407302611232843.post-3521833319131875332007-12-13T09:43:00.000+11:002007-12-13T09:43:00.000+11:00Jesus didn't like preaching much either. Look at t...Jesus didn't like preaching much either. Look at the discussion group on the Mount for example...Neil Cameron (One Salient Oversight)https://www.blogger.com/profile/03143948543305522865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5299407302611232843.post-12151619182412663922007-12-13T07:17:00.000+11:002007-12-13T07:17:00.000+11:00I agree with your thoughts and with the broader de...I agree with your thoughts and with the broader definition of preaching. It does not concern me, but does this not have implications for anyone driving a hard line on women not being permitted to preach? Perhaps we then need to look at our definition of 'teach'? If we broaden the definition of preaching, are women allowed to evangelise to men?!?Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03739784110428028221noreply@blogger.com